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#76 Re: Main Forum » To the visitors of Stephen Thomas Geyer [spoiler alert p3] » 2014-04-18 17:30:37

I'm assuming the vault is no longer located in the bottom left, and that the dog/cat lockout in the middle of the house is the only passage between the first and second sections of the house. I should be scouting the top area of the first half soon.

#77 Re: Main Forum » someone saw the cat » 2014-04-18 16:46:49

MMaster wrote:

I didn't think you would try that path again as first time you robbed me, you said that you thought I changed my vault location and that's why you went the other way. I didn't think you would go up third time in a row (and I was almost sure you will not go for the exact same spot again). I was wrong.

Well, that first time I assumed that, as you had been legitimately robbed, you would move your vault location. Last time I robbed you, you claimed that I had just found an error in your trap (which I did do). I knew that all you would do would fix the error, assuming that your trap, now fixed, could hold me off. You didn't count on an incredibly lucrative string of chain robberies to give me 23 crowbars. wink

#78 Re: Main Forum » The Life and Times of Christopher Alvin Harris (With Part 5!) » 2014-04-18 15:59:35

Well, here we go. Harris has lost his head, but found some nice paintings in the process. It would be a shame if something were to happen to them...
By the way, the series isn't over just yet. There will be an epilogue, plus the full Harris house breakdown is here (clicky!) if you want to know more about the place that the least sane art collector in Las Cruces lived.

Part 5: Fried

Excerpt from a notebook titled "even MORE fuckers are out to GET ME", written by Christopher Alvin Harris on 4/4/14:
Herbert: another clock? I'll just cut through your cheap traps. You think your clock will keep your money safe? Brit's didn't, and he didn't use cheap fucking electric floors! Walls are thin too, I'll just smash my way in. Nobody will stand in my way.

Police Report: 4-4-14, Report of Major Robbery
Robert Troy Herbert was robbed for $60,000 and 12 paintings by Christopher Alvin Harris. The robbery was performed by force; Harris used cutting tools to break through any walls between him and Mr. Herbert's vault. Multiple animals were drugged in the process, but no people were injured; both Herbert's wife and son were unscathed.
Again, first responders arrived too late by slightly over 16 minutes. It is my personal advice that that the police stop waiting 20 minutes before showing up to crime scenes.
Note: the author of this particular police report was fired the next day for "stupid comments".

Testimony: Robert Troy Herbert
"I was waiting for him ever since I robbed 2 houses myself in the past 24 hours; it was karma. My ego prevented me from upgrading my house, even though I did have a layout prepared that would have costed me $30K and fundamentally change the route to the safe. I just didn't want to reset my kill count, so I dumped all my cash in tools that he's probably relishing. At least I still have my wife and son, and they'll always be there for me."

Excerpt "even MORE fuckers are out to GET ME":
Herbert: another clock? I'll just cut through your cheap traps. You think your clock will keep your money safe? Brit's didn't, and he didn't use cheap fucking electric floors! Walls are thin too, I'll just smash my way in. Nobody will stand in my way.
You still have a wife?! Goddamn it, now I need to kill her! Why must you make this so hard on me? I'm the real victim here, forced to kill all these innocent families. I have to waste so much money doing this!
Oh, well. Time to die, Mrs Harris!
*a heart drawn in Harris's own blood follows on the next page.*

Testimony: Robert Troy Herbert
"Why? Why did he do this do me? He already took my money, why kill her?"

Police Report: 4-4-14, Report of Murder
The wife of Robert Troy Herbert was shot by Christopher Alvin Harris. Harris also took all the money that she was holding for himself. Herbert's son was unharmed.

4/6/14 - I only have one big target left: Buckley. I need that third Sarsaparilla painting, and those two other ones. If Buckley would just DIE like so many of the OTHERS, I could just buy his art, but nooooooooo. He has to wait for me to come take it! Well, you know what, Buckley? I WILL! Say your prayers, Buckley, because the wrecking crew is coming! Your art will be mine, and all your money too! You will fear my name: CHRISTOPHER ALVIN HARRIS!

Obituary, from the Las Cruces Times
Christopher Alvin Harris passed away on April 6th, 8:17 AM, in the house of Ronald William Buckley, in Las Cruces, New Mexico. The cause of death was an overdose of electric floor. Harris was an art lover all his life, ever since he began painting at the young age of 4. In grade school, he pursued his dreams of becoming an artist, and in college ended up getting a degree in Art History from Florida Atlantic University. Harris was a curator at many art museums, eventually ending up at the prestigious Getty in Los Angeles. After fleeing from accusations of art theft, Harris moved to Las Cruces, where he quickly become assimilated into the lifestyle; like most of our other citizens, he became a widower, a complete lunatic, and had incurable kleptomania. His crimes were numerous, but he always took pride in one thing: he only killed three women and two children while staying in Las Cruces. That, he claimed, was revenge enough for Traci and his children.

Thus ends the story of Christopher Alvin Harris: the man, the artist, the legend.

#79 Re: Main Forum » someone saw the cat » 2014-04-18 15:18:24

MMaster wrote:

I hoped it was you, because otherwise I would be really confused how the robber knew where to go smile You had enough tools to break it! (how is that possible? big_smile ) Congrats!

Well, you didn't change anything, to my knowledge, other than adding a sticky switch at the end of the cat path. And those tools were courtesy of Mr. Vasquez.

gyuri wrote:

Blip, why don't you stream? I'd love to watch you robbing.

My internet is so slow, that I can barely watch Twitch streams at low quality, let along stream my own. I am considering starting a TCD-oriented YouTube channel though, but I'm not sure if I have enough content for it.

#80 Re: Main Forum » someone saw the cat » 2014-04-18 11:15:17

The plan right now is to rob Mitchell, then use that money to rob Vasquez and Scott. So watch out...

Edit: Plan's changed. Hopefully I won't have to worry about Scott ever again.

Edit 2: To explain that tape to a probably very confused Vasquez, I completely forgot I had brought more than one ladder, or any explosives, because I had initially planned on bringing no explosives and just 1 ladder. So that's why I went around wrecking things for no reason: I though I was trapped and wanted to get rid of tools so you wouldn't get them. When I looked and saw that I had a ladder, I was very, very glad.
By the way, guessing your dance/combo thing was pure, crazy luck, but I also knew that it was only a 3 bit lock, then assumed you didn't go for the 1,3 combo, and assumed that the dance was hooked up to the lock in the way it actually turned out to be. By that logic, my odds weren't actually too low, and anyways, I had enough explosives to bypass it anyways (even though I forgot I had them at the time tongue).

#82 Re: Main Forum » I'm out » 2014-04-17 19:33:24

Sorry to see you go, cullman. You were a great player, and it always sucks when we lost one of our greats.

#83 Re: Main Forum » Robbed by a multi-account & suggestion to combat them. » 2014-04-17 08:49:20

Don't feel so safe, mala. You're my next target, and your house design telegraphs more info about it than you think...

Uncastlebar, that was my doing. I stole lots of paintings and put them to auction.

#84 Re: Main Forum » The Bounty Issue » 2014-04-16 19:22:17

Cylence wrote:

Anybody else have any other thoughts on the economy? I'll try to share mine and hopefully you guys have better ideas since my only idea is to give away free money.

The only point I'd like to make is that I singlehandedly destroyed over $400k this weekend; I robbed every house with over $50k but Mitchell, and used up all of the money on tools, deaths, or intentional suicides. So I think that a problem is the amount of money that can leave the economy is far, far greater than the amount that can enter it.

#85 Re: Main Forum » The Harris House - House Breakdown » 2014-04-16 19:12:35

In hindsight, I see your guys' point about the trap 2 to trap 6 dependency being a weak point. I probably should have used the extra space in the bottom left corner to build a trap that has a out-of-brick-range cat lock you out of the vault area with powered doors if you try and cut along the wired walls, preventing people with saws from bypassing it without a crowbar. I don't see why I didn't add that especially when I had money to spare, other than the fear of having to do another self-test. Alternatively, I could have set up that dog above the powered door sticky button properly, by adding some pits so that he sees the robber earlier, out of meat range. Also, surrounding the vault with walls so it's not visible from behind might have been a good idea, as Cyclene said, but I'm not sure how much difference it would really make, as the vault location is still clearly telegraphed once one breaks into that cat corridor. I won't really be able to make any of those changes, as Harris is long dead, but thanks for the in-depth feedback, everybody! smile

#86 Re: Main Forum » Tutorial: The Ordered Combination Lock » 2014-04-16 18:59:50

GotABigTrap wrote:

My question is, is it easy to change the buttons and their order?

It's not actually that hard. The combination is set by pairs of buttons that have to be hit - i.e. you set which buttons comes first for every set of two buttons that have to be pressed in the combination. To set which button comes first in a pair, one button (let's call it A) has to be connected to a bit storage unit, with the other button (B) connected to a Voltage Triggered Inverted Switch along the wire connecting A to the bit storage unit. The bit storage unit is then attached to your main power line just like a regular button in a combination lock, following these rules:
If you want A to be pressed before B, attach the bit storage unit with a Voltage Triggered Switch.
If you want B to be pressed before A, attach the bit storage unit with a Voltage Triggered Inverted Switch.

Cylence wrote:

So Blip, can it get any smaller?

The big size constraint are the bit storage units; those are the smallest possible bit storage units in the game, and they take up five tiles each. For every possible pair of pressed buttons, you need one, so if you want a lock where 6 buttons have to be pressed, you need 15 individual bit storage units, plus all the wiring to route every button to the proper one. So unless somebody comes up with a way to compare the orders of multiple buttons at once, without having a bit storage unit for every pair, I don' think this lock'll get much smaller.

#87 Re: Main Forum » The Harris House - House Breakdown » 2014-04-16 07:58:20

Cylence wrote:
Blip wrote:

Also, you forgot in you tool approximation that the trapdoor there is closed

The trapdoor isn't closed, and I wasn't talking about a full solution, just how much it would be to locate the vault since it's in plain view. And yes, robbery is expensive, which is why I think blowing through with saws is usually the better idea since you can actually get those from your house income.

And that's what I get for posting right before going to sleep; when I said the trapdoor is closed, I meant that it was open. tongue

#88 Re: Main Forum » The Harris House - House Breakdown » 2014-04-15 21:00:05

Cylence wrote:

The only thing I don't like is the section 2 to 6 link.
It leaves a wooden trail from your combo lock to locating your vault. 3 cutters, 17 saws, 2 ladders is the bare minimum.
However, I think it's the natural path for anyone trying to brute force a combo lock.

I wasn't worried for two reasons:
1. People will usually try guessing a solution before cutting. If their guessed solution worked, why cut at all? They'll just ignore the interdependency entirely, and assume that the cat they saw lived as well. If they thought it died because they saw it before entering a combo with the final button included, they could just come back and do so, and then they would be sure the cat lived - even if it didn't.
2. See the dog above the sticky switch on the cat path? In the process of cutting to the trapdoor, he'll see you and close the powered door. (I think he's too far away to drug, but I'm not sure.) Also, you forgot in you tool approximation that the trapdoor there is closed - for a pure brute force solution, you'd need 4 ladders, a brick, 2 guns, 2 meat, an explosive, a blowtorch, 17 saws, and lot of luck. You could also trade the explosive + blowtorch combo for a crowbar. Some of that can of course be removed if you have the entrance scouted out, but it still costs a hell of a lot of money, and that's knowing everything that's ahead of you.

I would guess that the house would fall to somebody going along the path, and breaking what was in their way, before it would fall to what seems like a needless and pricey cutting of walls.

#89 Re: Main Forum » Neighboorhood News » 2014-04-15 19:15:40

MMaster wrote:
Blip wrote:

I would suggest dying as Scott.

You really don't like him, do you? smile

Well, the "outliving Harris by over a week" thing makes me pretty sour.

#90 Re: Main Forum » Neighboorhood News » 2014-04-15 19:01:22

MMaster wrote:
Lord0fHam wrote:

I built one of these, if you're not on a life MMaster, care to initiate it for me? if so, pm me (I don't want the whole world knowing the name of my broken house).

I don't want to risk my life there smile Let the first robber be the one that gets the reward.

I would suggest dying as Scott.

#91 Main Forum » The Harris House - House Breakdown » 2014-04-15 19:00:08

Blip
Replies: 12

It's finally here - a full breakdown and description of the house of the late, great Chris Alvin Harris. Feel free to go read his life story here.

And the map you've all been waiting for, unless you already saw it in the "Life and Times" thread:
jpjeNEil.jpg

This house is unique for a simple reason. All the traps, save for my final (poorly designed) magic dance, are psychological traps. Some also have some hidden information in them as well, but that's only for added security. The hope was to have confident robbers die with their tools from thinking they were safe when they weren't.  This money would, of course, go towards buying paintings. I only think one guy got past the "combo lock" in the final version of the house, going on to die to my dog, but of course he didn't have the actual right combo.

As for the breakdown, here are the six modular traps (click to enlarge and see my 1337 photoshop skillz):
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And here's how it works...
1: “Fakeout”: This trap is relatively simple, but requires a trick that most $2k scouts failed to recognise. The robber has to step onto the first of the upper electric floors before reversing to travel along the lower ones instead; most robbers only went one way or the other and found themselves dead.

2: “Lucky Day”: Here, a “fake” combination lock is used. Only the final button actually affects the pits the robber sees, and the other four buttons activate a pit for the cat from trap 6 to cross, allowing the robber to survive later in the house. If a robber thinks they have the correct combination here by luck, they’ll continue through the house without realizing that they can no longer complete it.

3. “Blind Courage”: A commit gate locks robbers in this corridor unless they used a doorstop to keep it open. They robber has to either continue down an empty corridor or go through two doors. If they continue forwards, when the screen shifts they see the dog-commit gate... and the dog needed for it, which will now kill them if they open the doors.

4: “Korridor”: Now locked behind another, stronger commit gate,this trap tries to make the robber think that their choice of path is always correct. Upon opening the door, the cat sees you; however,the route forward doesn’t activate until 5 steps later, after those who choose to go forwars are confident that it’s safe. Those who hang back and wait for the lower doors to open also have their beliefs affirmed, only to have the lower route reactivate 3 steps later.Waiting past that, until it reopens a second time, shows the robber a corridor with a cat at the very end, and trying to step back and lave again kills the robber; they must instead continue forward. Also, any cuts in the electric floors prevent the final pit from being opened.

5: “Dance or Death”: This trap is a simple magic dance/leap of faith, controlling the two final trapdoors before the vault. The dance is secured behind many pits, and is very hard to guess. The fear of a magic dance also encourages robbers to cut the electric floors; cutting all the way locks the robber out, even if they can figure out the dance.

6: “Cat in the Trap”: This trap’s key was trap #2. If the first4-button combo was entered correctly, the cat seen at the end of the lock can deactivate the switch and let the robber live. Otherwise, the cat seen at the end of trap #5 kills the player one step later, and cutting the electric floors prevents power reaching the third-to last pit. If the lower button has already been hit(by the earlier cat), power is not transmitted until 3 steps after the final cat is seen, when you are safely on the now-powered pit.

My personal favorite of the above traps is Korridor, a completely original trap that went through multiple revisions until I had a version that worked just right. I know FreeLove managed to reach it before I added traps number 2 and 3 after I got my money from the Brit heist, but I don't think anybody else even got to see my magnum opus psychological trap.
The biggest problem I have with the Harris house is how hard it's going to be to top. There are a couple obvious improvements to make, notably fixing that magic dance up nicely, but I really doubt that I can build a house that so well convinces robbers to plunge headfirst into their own deaths. I've been brainstorming some blueprints, but haven't come up with much yet...

But somebody else will rise to complete Harris's mission. And their true identity will be revealed... in the epilogue of The Life and Times of Harris!

So, any thoughts on the house?

#92 Re: Main Forum » Sorry to whomever was using 2 alt accounts to Suicide Scout Stowers. » 2014-04-15 17:57:55

I was scouting you, so you may be referring to me. I liked your place, but I could pretty easily tell that it was a sight-trap at first. The next part was just Chihuahua surfing, up to the bit with the doors, where I died. I doubt I would have gotten past the magic dances, though.

#93 Re: Main Forum » The Painting Directory » 2014-04-15 17:27:30

Killer Mosquito wrote:

Haha!  Good man.  The Robin Hood of Castle Doctrine.

Seriously though..... it's quite impressive that there aren't any scouting runs by you before the perfect solution to my house.  Quite the robber you are, sir smile

I freaking love this game.  I can't wait to start robbing again.  I've been turtling just to see how long it took for someone to figure it out.  You delivered me.  I'm really lacking in house building skills.  I'm as knowledgeable (and about as creative) as the wiki is at the moment.  I'm ready to get my hands dirty in some robbing.  Watching the videos of Iceman getting robbed was quite the inspiration.

You probably saw the tape of my other account, who died on the commit gate directly before the vault. I also had lots and lots of scout information accrued over multiple days and lives that all indicated that the button needed to be pressed twice, as both pressing it once and leaving it off were deadly. As for the combo lock, that was a lucky guess, and the door fail-safe led me to draw the conclusion that the correct route at the end had to be the one to the left. Otherwise, why would the failsafe be there?

#94 Re: Main Forum » The Painting Directory » 2014-04-15 17:15:21

Killer Mosquito wrote:

Miller here!  I planned on changing it every time I saw someone solve it.  I liked this house at first... but I really didn't like it once I started getting a lot of money.  I just wanted to ride it out and see how long it took someone to solve it.  I wanted to see a lot of robbery tapes so I could get ideas of what worked and what didn't.  When I looked at houses by you, iceman, and various other people... my house was a joke compared to them.  The only thing I had going for me was the double button at the beginning which was the gimmick that half my house relied on. But, I just wanted to see who would solve it.  Enjoy your paintings!

They're back at auction. For the past few days, I've just been relieving people of their paintings, then suiciding. tongue

#95 Re: Main Forum » Christopher N. Cantrell's house » 2014-04-15 17:05:36

That was me. I meant to dance back again, but accidentally pressed forward instead.

#96 Re: Main Forum » The Painting Directory » 2014-04-15 16:55:03

Got Miller!

And Miller: if you're reading this, don't ever make your combo lock combo be 2,4. It's one of the easiest to guess!

#97 Re: Main Forum » The Life and Times of Christopher Alvin Harris (With Part 5!) » 2014-04-15 16:44:57

MMaster wrote:
Cylence wrote:

Already know the ending, but the life is in the details!

It was just a joke. Like when you read good book and your friends tell you ending wink

I'm going to have some fun with the diary of the batshit insane Harris at the end, so there will be at least that. Also, I doubt you'll guess what'll happen in the epilogue.

#98 Re: Main Forum » The Painting Directory » 2014-04-15 16:08:16

I nearly got Miller tool-less (I think. I may or may not have chosen the right final path...) after a lot of scouting over multiple days and a lucky guess on his (very easy-to-guess) 4-bit lock.
I died to one of those dog commit gate setups which you have to go and turn on first before you get the dog.

And Cyclene, yes, when I do two sets of chain robberies, I just idle in the house of the account I'm not robbing with and occasionally press arrow keys so I don't time out.

#99 Re: Main Forum » Neighboorhood News » 2014-04-15 15:34:26

Just realized, iceman... what happened to Gilliard was my handiwork as well. tongue

#100 Re: Main Forum » Fortress Theory Mod - Version 3 » 2014-04-15 15:23:24

I'd be very happy with an open source build, because I use both Mac and Linux. It really won't make much of a difference security wise, but would make us end-users happier.

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