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MMaster wrote:

The thing is that this is already being done partially as the server runs headlessClient for each robbery so maybe it would be possible to run headlessClient simultaneously with the robbery and syncing them (using something more efficient than HTTP/PHP! like UDP with custom binary data protocol). Of course the headlessClient does not calculate shadows or visibility, because that would take too much CPU cycles so it still does not solve the issue with map shots.

Yeah you are on the right track.  UDP or HTTP pipelining.  The reality is most MMO games have all the logic and stuff happening on the server, it's the only way to have a trusted MMO game.  You have to assume the client is completely untrustworthy all the time.  That's why things like WOW have tons of servers, because all the state and logic is happening up on the server.  The client is a display and input mechanism only.  Jason did a good job of band-aiding the movelist hack with the headless client thing, but basically the game won't be fixed until all the pet movements and visible tiles and electronic states are being kept on the server.  Honestly, it's a damn simple game in terms of state, you could run 100s maybe 1000s of sessions on a single server no problem.  You could reduce lag as I have explained before by sending the 16 different possible tile set views for the next 2 moves for the player every move (ie the UDP packet is sending the tiles you need to see for the next 2 possible moves every time the player moves).  This is all highly doable and I keep getting tempted to do it all, but I just don't know if there is going to be enough players to make it worthwhile.

You guys are going way beyond what I know about hacking and cheat prevention (which is practically nothing), so I'm just going to step out quietly...

DaVinci243 wrote:

Oh btw, do you have any kind of skype etc. I can contact you with?

Sure- I think the best way would be just to email me at iceman76tv@gmail.com

I think there needs to be a fraction factor, like q = 0.5, that is multiplied in.

P = q *( B + b1 + b2 + b3 )

So, while the owner gets the full bounty payment for each death, the house's pending bounty increment P only goes up by a fraction of that.

As the pending increment P is passed from house to house by a robber gaining it through success and then dropping it through death, it will shrink down to nothing.  But the primary effects, at the first step in the chain, can be quite large.  Thus, a huge reward for "killing a very smart robber," but less of a reward for "killing a robber who was successful immediately after that very smart robber died".

So... maybe it needs to be "number of people who died in the house since the last bounty was placed?"  You know, so each time the vault is hit, the "bounty to be added" goes back to 0.  Reaching the vault gives you whatever bounty increment is waiting there and then resets it back to 0 until more people die in there.

Still, I'm not sure about this.... would be better to find a good measure of a "skilled robber somehow.... hmm... maybe when a robber dies in the house, the home-owner gets a bounty payment (as usual) AND the bounty-increment of the house is ticked up too.  So if a bunch of "good robbers" die in that house, you must be a really good robber to get through, so a huge bounty should go on your head.  If a bunch of bad robbers died there, it's not such an accomplishment to finally rob it, so very little bounty is put on your head for succeeding.  It's like, robbing Fort Knox gets you a huge bounty (so many of the brightest minds have tried and failed)...

ANYWAY... just to get the ball rolling, I've turned off bounty increments for murders.

I agree about counting the number of people the wife has killed... that may work its way in there too at some point...

Welkin wrote:

Then I had a time where my house was locked out by Alec Sean Farley who in combination with JGA did this strange tag-team lock. During this time every click of 'return to house' that got denied refreshed the list that I had filtered to his account. I watched his money go from 2k, to 12k, to 60k, to 30k (I assume he grabbed items from his stock? Maybe had an account rob him back to take half?) in the span of literally minutes. I could do nothing, luckily this guy was not able to break too much of the surface, but then I realized the scope of the money he could pull in.

He basically was un-killable, only thing I could target was JGA which he had no investment in. He was only a front to attack me and take any heat he could get. ASF and his 30k that wasn't used to attack me dissipated. This annoys me so much, after two days of being stalked by this guy I gave up. It's not like my value was even that high, I was mid on the top 8 list. Not sure what he was doing but I'll be damned if it didn't ruin my fun. Being attacked by people you can defend from and attack back, that would be ok. Being targeted by someone you do not know, who can siphon his resources seemingly at a whim, who sends an alt to lock me out of my house while he sets up another account, that is not ok.

So I guess I was Farley, and I'm assuming that you're Mr. Black, as he was my final target late yesterday. Here's my part of the story.

After I suicided to put Kane's paintings back to auction, I was left with lots of chills on most stepping stone houses, so my chain robbing possibilities were limited. I managed to get one account up to a good chunk of cash, and ended up using the other as a bare minimum scout. I robbed somebody (don't remember who) and used my winnings to take down Case. The only other top house that I didn't have chills on was Black, and only with my wealthy account: Farley. Thus, I did a bunch of scouting of Black's place with Farley, then eventually began a larger robbery that nearly got the cops coming. As I was rushing to try and finish, after running out of drugged meat and being chased by a dog, I ran into a wall-dog in front of me. I had no option other than to die.

As for my rapid cash rise, that wasn't from any alt abuse, it was from successful robberies. And when my money dropped, it wasn't because I was transferring cash - it was because I had grabbed a bunch of tools for a robbery.  During the chain the took down Case, I only used my other account once, and as a suicide scout for the second house in the chain. I also was clearly not conspiring with eppfel, mostly because I robbed him for $100k.

Frankly, I don't see the problem here. Welkin was targeted by two different people, neither of us working together. It just so happened that two wealthy people targeted him at once! If anything, this shows the problem with this forum: two separate players get branded as cheaters for playing the game regularly. I was just chain robbing, and people assume that I was getting rich off bounty transfers, and that I was conspiring with JGA! Not a single person, other than eppfel who knew better, realized that. And nobody seems to be reading the truth here: AMWhy, cullman, TheRealCheese, and others are still claiming that what happened was due to alts.

MMaster wrote:

This game can be really unfair sometimes. I think the multiple account talk makes people even more paranoid. It surely looked like multiple account abuse from Welkin's point of view.

And it was, to some point. It is a cruel story, but unfair? In the end he died to his own mistake..

Also, Scott: why won't you die already? At least change your final trap...

Cylence wrote:

Bishop died today. Surge After Hokusai is back on the market along with Eye's Wide Spread.

Edit: I was wrong. Bishop is still alive. Someone must have robbed him and then died.

I definitely didn't rob him then die to my own wife-pincer trap in self test. Not a chance of that ever happening.

why do people always post these? the point of the game is to NOT get robbed! do you just want bounties, discussion, what is it?